Vyan

Showing posts with label Olbermann. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Olbermann. Show all posts

Wednesday, January 6

Boortz Challenges Olberman to a Duel!

Ok, ok - I admit to a bit of hyperbole in the title - technically it wasn't a "Duel" it's a Debate, but then when you're dealing with a deluded Wingnut he says Potah-to while probably meaning Squash.

Here's what got under Boortzy's Skin.



OLBERMANN: Each day it seems the lunatic fringe finds a new way to permit its adherents to view the rest of us as a little less than human – we don’t count as much as they do, ordinary Americans don’t matter.

Newest example, hate-radio-host Neal Boortz yesterday: ‘Obamacare will do more damage’ he said, ‘ than a successful terrorist bombing of an airliner and kill more people as well.’ So, rather than count how many things are wrong with that statement, or how many times Neal Boortz must have been abused for him to wind up so dehumanized for him to say such a thing, let us answer it on his terms. What would you do, sir, if terrorists were killing 45,000 people each year in this country?


[At first I thought Keith was reading a TYPO when he said 45,000 - because had thought it was only 4,500 - but then I checked and HE'S RIGHT!]

45,000 people a year IS MORE THAN TEN TIMES THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE KILLED AT 9-11 OR DURING THE ENTIRE IRAQ WAR - and it happens Each and Every Year.

"We're losing more Americans every day because of inaction ... than drunk driving and homicide combined," Dr. David Himmelstein, a co-author of the study and an associate professor of medicine at Harvard, said in an interview with Reuters.

Overall, researchers said American adults age 64 and younger who lack health insurance have a 40 percent higher risk of death than those who have coverage.

...

"For any doctor ... it's completely a no-brainer that people who can't get health care are going to die more from the kinds of things that health care is supposed to prevent," said Woolhandler, a professor of medicine at Harvard and a primary care physician in Cambridge, Massachusett


There is not likely to be another terrorist attack as deadly as was the attack on New York's Twin Towers not unless Chemical, Biological or Nuclear elements are used. And at this point the that odds of that, when terrorists have to resort to packing a bomb under their nutsack, are practically NIL.

Just under 4,000 people died on 9/11 and just over 4000 Americans in the Iraq War.

There is NO WAY we could have a Terrorist Attack TEN TIMES THE SIZE OF 9/11 each and every year -- and the primary result of Health Reform by providing access to care to at least 35 Million additional American is likely to Lower that figure not increase it.

To which Boortz responded via Twitter.

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Boortz is a guy who said the residents of New Orleans who survived Katrina and needed assistance afterward were "Parasites", he's called welfare recipients "Human Parasitic Garbage" and that low income Americans shouldn't be allowed to vote.

At the very least he's a class bigot, and potentially a full-on racist.

Here's the thing though, Boortz argument is that Obama's Plan (which at this point is really Harry Reid's Plan) is like to KILL Americans - but the problem is that AMERICANS ARE ALREADY DYING, and every indicator - each and every single one - is that increasing access to care Will Save Lives.

Most of the Health Care Debate so far has been over the issue of costs controls and cost containment. That's where the debate of the Public Option vs Individual Mandates exists. How Will Costs Be Decreased? Even in the one alleged "Lie" that Obama has uttered during this entire process, it's been about whether providing access to preventative care rather than emergency/critical care will Save Money - and the CBO has said it won't, but that it would SAVE LIVES.

Via PoliticFact.


"Sweeping statements about the cost-saving potential of prevention ... are overreaching," according to the paper. "Studies have concluded that preventing illness can in some cases save money but in other cases can add to health care costs."

And a study conducted by researchers from the American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association and the American Cancer Society concluded that, while interventions to prevent cardiovascular disease would prevent many strokes and deaths, "as they are currently delivered, most of the prevention activities will substantially increase costs."

So, the consensus is that, while preventive care will almost certainly save lives, it won't reduce government spending on health care. As a result, we rate Obama's statement False.


So Obama was wrong about saving money with preventive screenings according to the CBO - but he's was RIGHT about it saving lives.

The Claims that Obama care will lead to Euthanasia are False and have been thoroughly debunked by Factcheck.org

On former Sen. Fred Thompson’s radio show, former lieutenant governor of New York Betsy McCaughey said that the House’s proposed health care bill contained a provision that would institute mandatory counseling sessions telling seniors how "to do what’s in society’s best interest ... and cut your life short." House Minority Leader John Boehner made a slightly more measured statement, warning that the same provision "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia if enacted into law."

In truth, that section of the bill would require Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling sessions helping seniors to plan for end-of-life medical care, including designating a health care proxy, choosing a hospice and making decisions about life-sustaining treatment. It would not require doctors to counsel that their patients refuse medical intervention.


Just to make this personal for a second, me and my wife haven't technically had health care for the last 6 years since all my work as a Software Contractor for the State of California went in the shitter after Enron dry-boned our entire state and completely fracked up the budget.

We've had to use Emergency Room-Based Care ever since - on the Average our wait times have been for about 25 Hours at a stretch. As a result, we don't go unless it's REALLY SERIOUS - like a lot of American's we simply don't do "Preventive Care" - and the last time we waited nearly a week and half before my wife's abdominal pain became too intense we had to grin and bare 20 hours awake in a set of stiff-backed plastic chairs. As usual, it was almost exactly 20 Hours later that we finally saw a Doctor and they diagnosed her with Diverticulitis, which if we had waited much longer could easily have turned fatal.

I still have a stiff shoulder - 3 months later - from trying sleep in that damn chair. In fact I've had a lump on my leg the size of a stack of quarters for about 5 years - I'm not letting those NUMB-NUTS anywhere near it, not until I have real health care again.

We've seen people in that Emergency Room with Severed Limbs (a finger specifically) - openly bleeding on the floor and still had to wait nearly 20 hours without meds while being told only to "Put Pressure on the wound". That would be wound that made him nearly pass out every time he touched it. More Pressure? Yeah, right.

Wanna talk about delayed care and long wait times? Two Years ago my wife fell down a flight of stairs, it took 18 Months... EIGHTEEN MONTHS... to get these people in County services to give her an MRI and see why she was suffering from chronic back pain that entire time. That would be back pain so severe that she goes into sleep-deprivation unless she takes a vicodin every night. Turns out that a bit of bone is impinging on her Spinal Cord - and just yesterday (on the date of our 19th Wedding Anniversary), which is still 2 Months after the MRI itself - they're thinking they might have to get a neuro-surgeon involved to release the pressure before the cord is completely severed.

DON'T TELL ME THAT PEOPLE WITHOUT HEALTH CARE ARE DOING JUST FINE IN AMERICA! That's a Fracking Lie!

Shit like this is why all the people "Kill The Bill and Start Over" from either side of the aisle were not on my Christmas List. For a lot of us, the CLOCK IS ALREADY TICKING, and a "Do-Over" is not acceptable.

Neal you DOLT, care under the Obama plan will not be "Rationed" - instead out of pocket costs will be capped, and Minimum Standards of quality based on better postive results for the patient will be instituted, not ways to exclude patients from care in order to reduce the "Bottom Line".

Any serious reduction to the number of people who are already dying because of lack of care is likely to far outstrip all we lost on 9-11 and all we lost on Iraq and in Afghanistan Combined - EVERY YEAR.

But here's the thing, the people who lives would be saved (and dramatically improved) would be exactly the people that Boortz considers to be Parasites, the Poor and the Uninsured. People like me who saw their career and livelihood completely flushed down the toilet by Bush and his Crony Corporatism. People that Boortz doesn't consider to be "PEOPLE" at all - which if you go back again is Exactly What Keith Said.

OLBERMANN: Each day it seems the lunatic fringe finds a new way to permit its adherents to view the rest of us as a little less than human – we don’t count as much as they do, ordinary Americans don’t matter.


Ordinary Parasitic Americans who have the temerity simply need a little help once in a while.

Ordinary Americans like Nataline Sarkysian who died because her private insurance plan - CIGNA - cancelled her care because had the nerve to get Cancer at 17.

Ordinary Americans like Eric Dela Cruz who couldn't get a heart transplant because he wasn't on a government run health-care program like Medicare.

Ordinary Americans like me and my wife.

There is no "Debate" here.

Olbermann is dealing in Fact, while Boortz is working in absolutely paranoid fantasy. Meeting Boortz "Mano-a-Mano" is a complete waste of time other than to completely humiliate him by pointing out the sad fact that Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, Darth Vader and Death Panels Aren't Real!

And the evil lazy poor people aren't going to use their secret ACORN ARMY to take all your Health Care away..hee hee...

Vyan

Thursday, April 9

Glenn Beck Blames Video Games and TV for Violence, but not himself!!



But our winner, Harold Hill again. It‘s about his continuing attempt to disassociate himself and his inflammatory paranoia about an attack on the Second Amendment, an infringement of gun rights and the need to take your government back from an duly elected president, from a man shooting and killing three policemen in Pittsburgh, because he was afraid of, quote, the Obama gun ban that is on the way.

But now there has bee located criticism so clear, so pertinent that it is unanswerable. A conservative TV host warning that video games and television have a direct cause-and-effect relationship with violence and murder and even the murder of policemen. About the game Grand Theft Auto, this man said “we are training our kids to be killers. If you think that video games are just harmless fun, which everybody always says, you should know that the military, our leaders at the Pentagon, have never seen it that way.”

Who made that pithy observation? The same man who, last May 1st, described what one character in Grand Theft Auto and the people playing the game as him could do.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GLENN BECK, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: When a police officer comes after him, he can either light that police officer on fire or cut him in half with a chain saw. This is entertainment?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

OLBERMANN: Oh, hypocrisy and self-absorbed righteousness in unparalleled purity. But it gets better. According to Beck 2008, and no doubt to the surprise of Beck 2009, it is not just video games that can lead to murder.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BECK: According to the journal of American Medical Association just television, the introduction of television in the 1950s caused a doubling of the homicide rate in America.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

OLBERMANN: So video game can cause people to try to kill police, and television caused the doubling of the homicide rate. But Glenn Beck reducing the complexities of the world to the level of a video game for his television viewers, and telling them they need to rise up and take back their country before the government takes their guns, that couldn‘t possibly have anything to do with one of those viewers rising up to take back his country before the government takes his guns.

Glenn Beck, accessory, today‘s worst person in the world.


Now I almost sympathise with Beck for people accusing him of advocating Murder or attacking Police - which in plain fact he didn't do - and his current statements that "only the crazy nutball" is responsible for his own actions" because he's got a point about that. It's nice to hear him talk about how people need to work within our democratic framework, and not necessarily become violent. It's a little damn LATE - sometimes you do have to mention the obvious in the midst of calling our Democratically elected President a TYRANT, FASCIST or TOTALITARIAN - and therefore hardly anyone whose been listening to him for the last few months honestly believes it, but it's nice to hear.

However. when it came to Video games, or "TV" in general - he did seem to have a different opinion - that violent imagery and concepts have an impact on people - and NOT JUST THE NUTBALLS.

Hmmm... Full of Shit, Much?

Vyan

Saturday, May 31

O'Reilly Detonates Again

Saturday, May 24

Olbermann on Hillary's RFK Gaffe

Thursday, May 22

On Olbermann, Cold-Blooded Killers and Bald-Faced Liars

That incredible font of Patriotism Laura Ingraham has apparently responded to Keith Olbermann's taunt - "Why do you hate our troops" with the following.

Her claim here, using the site "Olbermannwatch" as her source is that Keith is a liar, and that he really did mean to insult our U.S. troops when he mentioned "Cold=Blooded Killers" in the Iraq War and wasn't simply throwing Bush's ridiculous rhetoric at the Knesset right back at him in reference to BlackWater.

As it was delibered Keith's Special Comment said this starting from the relevant quoting from Bush's speech:

"The biggest issue we face is, it's bigger than Iraq, it's this ideological struggle against cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives.'

Mr. Bush, at long last, has it not dawned on you that the America you have now created, includes 'cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives'?

They are those in, or formerly in, your employ, who may yet be charged some day... with war crimes.

Let's just reinterate that Olbermann was Quoting the President in that statement, and clearly was turning that comment around to point at people who may, very well may, have committed WAR CRIMES!

Who might those people be?

Who are the War Criminals?

Might they be the members of Bush's Cabinet who conducted meeting after meeting discussing torture methods in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the War Crimes Act?

Might they be members of Blackwater USA who have been granted immunity and impunity to murder civilians in Iraq?

Ignoring the War Criminals, the wingnut fringe instead attacked him for daring to use the Presidents word against American Troops. In response to this Keith issued a Clarification

Television goes by quickly and the viewers are not provided a copy of the script. So it is possible that reasonable viewers might have been confused by exactly to whom I referred, especially considering that I edited the original line, which was: "Mr. Bush, at long last, has it not dawned on you that the America you have now created includes cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives? They are called your cabinet and your Pentagon."

During the editing process, it seemed that was a little broad, that there appear to be men in both of those places, General Ricardo Sanchez, former Secretary of State Colin Powell, perhaps even the new Secretary of Defense Mr. Gates, who did not merit inclusion in that list. Obviously, my use of Mr. Bush’s phrase, cold-blooded killers, did not refer to U.S. troops. I have never had anything but the highest respect for them and their sacrifice.

The difference here? Once sentence, specifying the cabinet and pentagon as the "killers" was removed. Instead he said "They are those in, or formerly in, your employ, who may yet be charged some day... with war crimes."

That's changing a single sentence, that's all. In neither version of this were our troops called out. In neither version were our troops insulted.

He changed it because he didn't think it was fair to make a statement that would have included current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, former Secretary of State Colin Powell (who openly and frequently objected to the use of torture) and General Ricardo Sanchez who has also vehemently criticized such crimes.

Sanchez was the former Commander of Forces in Iraq, so if he deliberately excluded Sanchez he was most certainly excluding all of the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanitan who had NOT COMMITTED WAR CRIMES.

One might go so far as to assume that he was also alluding to War Crimes and cover-ups such as in Haditha. Or Moumadiya. Or Crimes such as the killing Pat Tillman and subsequent cover-up and destruction evidence in that case.

But only a completely assclown or moron would think Keith meant "All Of Our Troops Are War Criminals!"

Yet this is exacty what Olbermannwatch claims.

After he came under fire for his Special Comment on May 14 in which called U.S. Troops "cold blooded killers", Keith Olbermann delivered a "clarification" in which he claimed that he had edited out the part in which he called White House and Pentagon officials "cold blooded killers". One problem, the day the Special Comment aired Keith was on Daily Kos comparing himself to Mozart for having produced his "masterpiece" in "one write". In other words...WITHOUT EDITING.

This is what Olbermann actually said in a comment within his May 14th Diary.

Strunk & White (25+ / 0-)
Funny thing about these.

When I first write 'em, they are half as long.

Then I'm reminded of other things this administration has done, and suddenly, they're twice as long.

Actually, this one was one straight write. Took about an hour, I moved one sentence, added the new info on the fraudulence of the golf claim, and altered about a half dozen adjectives, and that was it. Not exactly Mozart's unblemished composition sheets, but I'll take it.

"If you're going through hell - keep going!" -- Winston Churchill

by Keith Olbermann on Wed May 14, 2008 at 09:44:06 PM PDT

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This is the point where you have to wonder if these people are simply lazy or mendacious? Keith did exactly what he said he did, he meant exactly what he said he meant - and he has certainly every RIGHT to say it in a country that is supposed to still have free speech.

Yet again, we have a completely mischaracterzation of a reasonable statment into some kind of anti-American slur. We've seen this with Michelle Obama and her comments about how the American people were coming together with common cause "for the first time in her adult life". We've seen many of the comments of Rev Wright distorted (which admittedly wasn't hard to do). Or the comments of Rosie O'Donnell the half-million Iraqi casualties - so far - and just who the "terrorists" responsibile for this war?

(No, She did not mean our Troops, she clearly meant Our President is Responsible. He is "The Decider", Right?)

The very thought that Our Troops are Terrorists is just plain insane. It's a LIE to say that Rosie made that claim, Michelle has made that claim, or that Olbermann has made that claim.

Here, yet again, and again and again, socio-pathological liars like Ingraham, O'Reilly and Olbermannwatch throw fact and common sense out the window in a desperate and sad effort to smear the critic. To justify the unjustifiable. To excuse criminals by confusing them with our Heroes. Deliberately. Viciously.

Keith was at least honest enough himself to realize that some people may have taken his comments the wrong way if you weren't fully paying attention, or simply don't care about the truth... but I care.

We care.

And I'm sure the Troops, those who've fought, bled, died, been traumatize and continue to struggle financially and emotionally after their service Care too.

Does Laura?

Thursday, May 15

Olberman PWNS Bush

Sunday, October 14

Hornbecks vs O'Reilly

Wednesday, September 5

Olbermann Special :Comment: Playing with the Troops

Friday, August 17

Billo Gets a Two-Fer on Countdown

O'Reilly is Worstest and the Worser.